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Prince of Peace

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“The Dead Sea Scrolls provide a context for understanding the role of Jesus and the political machinations that would have featured behind his birth, marriage, and active role in this Zealot aspiration for victory.” (Baigent, 2006, p. 38)

"[Jesus] was not so much a wandering preacher giving sermons or a wandering philosopher offering maxims as like a radical politician gathering support for a new and highly risky movement." (Wright, 1999, p. 36)

“…it was not the Jews who killed the apostles because they were Christians, but the Romans who executed them because they were…Zealots." (Dimont, 1991, p. 69)

THE REALITY

 Most people think of Jesus as the “Prince of Peace”, the ultimate non-violence advocate, a precursor to Gandi and MLK. Yet there is reason to believe that while Jesus preached peace, he also preached violent action. As astounding as that may be for most people, let’s look at the evidence. First we’ll look at some of Jesus’ sayings that suggest a harsher view of humanity that we usually ascribe to Jesus. Next we’ll look at his disciples, and then we’ll look at his behavior in Jerusalem, and finally we’ll examine the relationship between the Essenes and the Zealots.

Jesus’ Sayings

 

Jesus has sayings that are overtly aggressive/violent and some that while not being violent, show a side of him that is vindictive and unforgiving. Here are some examples:

 

Violent Advocacy and Imagery

 

“And if thy right eye causeth thee to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body be cast into hell. And if thy right hand causeth thee to stumble, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body go into hell.” (Matthew 5:29-30)

 

"And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." (Matthew 10:21)

 

“Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law: and a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that doth not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me. “(Matthew 10:34-38)

 

“I say unto you, that unto every one that hath shall be given; but from him that hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken away from him. But these mine enemies, that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me .” (Luke 19:26-27)

 

“And he said unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet; and he that hath none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword. For I say unto you, that this which is written must be fulfilled in me, And he was reckoned with transgressors: for that which concerneth me hath fulfilment. And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.” (Luke 22:36-38)

 

Vindictive and Unforgiving Sayings

 

“Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not. Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon which were done in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum, shalt thou be exalted unto heaven? thou shalt go down unto Hades: for if the mighty works had been done in Sodom which were done in thee, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.” (Matthew 11:20-24)

 

“He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.” (Matthew 12:30-31)

 

And on the morrow, when they were come out from Bethany, he hungered. And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find anything thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for it was not the season of figs. And he answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit from thee henceforward for ever.” (Mark 11:12-14)

 

Apologists will explain away each of these sayings as metaphor, symbolism, or mere zealousness. Moreover, they will point to sayings that uphold Jesus’ image as the Prince of Peace (e.g., Matthew 26:52 - "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."). Certainly the violent and/or vindictive sayings represent a minority of Jesus’ sayings, yet they are not a miniscule minority, and certainly most of Jesus’ sayings are of a loving and caring nature. Nonetheless, there are a substantial number of sayings of Jesus from the canonical gospels which suggest that as zealous as Jesus was in his devotion to God and as much as he emphasized love toward one another, he could be equally zealous in his attitudes against people with whom he disagreed.

 

The Zealot Disciples

 

Jesus’ disciples included a high percentage of people who appear to have been Zealots, including Simon the Zealot [1] Peter called Simon bar Jona [2], Judas the Dagger man, and the Sons of Thunder. Moreover, Jesus’ own philosophy and the philosophy of the Zealots were similar in many ways. They both stressed the importance of the law and both were dissatisfied with the sad state of affairs in which the Temple authorities were corrupt and the Romans ruled Israel with an iron fist, exacting taxes that impoverished the people. Of course, Jesus, on the whole, professed peace while the Zealots were committed to the violent overthrow of the Roman authorities. However, there were occasions in which Jesus also advocated armed resistance, as when he urged his disciples to gather up swords (Luke 22:36) or when he said: “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34).”

 

Dimont (1991) also believes that Jesus was a Zealot, and he claims that when viewed in this light, Jesus’ advice to his disciples (Matthew 10:5-23) takes on new meaning:

 

“He gave them strict instructions to contact only Israelites. They were to stay in one place only long enough to deliver the message, then take off. If they felt they were under suspicion, they were to disappear quickly from the scene. They were to exercise great caution in speech and action…(p. 67).”

 

In other words, Jesus’ advice suggests that the disciples are Zealots who need to be extremely careful in what they do. Had they been merely religious teachers, many of Jesus’ cautions would appear to be highly unusual.

 

In addition, the violent deaths of many of the disciples (Peter, Simon, Andrew, and James were crucified, Bartholomew was flayed to death, Thomas was killed by arrows, etc.) makes sense from this perspective. Dimont claims “…it was not the Jews who killed the apostles because they were Christians, but the Romans who executed them because they were…Zealots (p. 69).”

 

Biblical scholar N. T. Wright (1999) says that Jesus “…was not so much a wandering preacher giving sermons or a wandering philosopher offering maxims as like a radical politician gathering support for a new and highly risky movement (p. 36).”

 

We get another hint that Jesus may have been a zealot from the good shepherd imagery. Going back to the Gospel of Luke, the appearance of shepherds may be a hint of Jesus’ Zealot sentiments. Today we associate shepherds with pastoral peace, but in Jesus’ time the shepherds were considered robbers (Spong, 1992, p. 147), and robbery was often a profession taken up by the Zealots. The good shepherd may be an analogy to the person who takes care of his sheep, but it would have a second meaning for First Century Jews – the good robber chief.

 

Jesus in Jerusalem

 

Pike and Kennedy (1972) believe that Jesus was a Zealot and they point out that his first public recognition as the Davidic Messiah comes during the Feast of the Dedication (John 10:22), a ceremony that commemorates the first Jewish revolution under the Maccabees. In addition, both the Zealot movement and the Jesus movement were controlled by dynastic succession: in the case of the Zealots, from Hezekiah to Judas to Menahem and Eleazar, and in the case of Jesus, from Jesus to James to Simeon to Jude’s grandsons.

 

The scene in the Temple (John 2:15 – “and he made a scourge of cords, and cast all out of the temple, both the sheep and the oxen; and he poured out the changers' money, and overthrew their tables…”) in which Jesus overturns the tables and chases the money lenders out shows a Jesus who is certainly not your classic peacenik. This example of civil disobedience goes beyond the traditional non-violent code and borders on aggression.

 

It’s always been questionable as to why his disciples deserted him once he was arrested. Had his movement been purely theological, his disciples had no need to fear from the Romans. Yet all the men fled, suggesting that perhaps they were afraid for their lives, implying that the Jesus movement had political overtones rather than merely being theological.

 

Michael Baigent in The Jesus Papers (2006) also theorizes that Jesus was a Zealot, and he claims that the two “leste” who were crucified with him were also Zealots, as was Barabbas. Baigent adds to his list of Zealots, Paul (Acts 21:38) as well as the Essenes, and he claims that: “The Dead Sea Scrolls…provide original documents from the Zealots (p. 36).” 

 

The Essenes and the Zealots

 

There is some justification for linking the Essenes and the Zealots (see Eisenman, 1997). Hippolytus, a disciple of Irenaeus, in his 2nd Century text Origenis Philosophumena sive Omnium Hæresium Refutatio wrote:

 

"Some of these [Essenes] observe a still more rigid practice in not handling or looking at a coin bearing an image, saying that one should neither carry nor look at nor fashion any image; nor will they enter a city at the gate of which statues are erected, since they consider it unlawful to walk under an image. Others threaten to slay any uncircumcised Gentile who listens to a discourse on God and His laws, unless he undergoes the rite of circumcision; should he refuse to do so, they kill him instantly. From this practice they have received the name of 'Zealots' or 'Sicarii.' Others again call no one Lord except God, even though one should torture or kill them (Jewish Encyclopedia v. 228-230)."

 

Thus, according to Hippolytus, the Zealots emerged as the military wing of the Essenes, in much the same way that the Therapeuts emerged as the healing wing of the Essenes. And given Jesus’ involvement with the Essenes, it would be surprising if he had not been exposed to the Zealot philosophy and felt comfortable in the presence of Zealots among his disciples. Perhaps the situation is best described in contemporary terms. The Republican Party in the 21st Century has under its broad umbrella individuals and groups that advocate bombing abortion clinics, invading foreign countries, deposing leaders of sovereign countries, editing school books, and building enormous fiscal deficits to fund massive government spending. In these aspects they can be distinguished from the Libertarian and the Democratic parties, as well as from the 20th Century Republican Party. Yet not all Republicans advocate all these positions. In a similar way, Jesus as an Essene may have adopted the Therapeut orientation to healing as well as the Essene eschatology, while rejecting the extreme violence of the Zealots.

 

Summary

 

Our major image of Jesus is as the Prince of Peace, however, this view ignores  substantial evidence that Jesus had a harsher side, that could involve violent actions (in the Temple) and advocating violence as well as vindictive and unforgiving attitudes. We tend to ignore this evidence or find explanations to negate it, but the sheer number of examples and their wide spread reference across various gospels and at different times in Jesus’ life suggest that indeed these tendencies were there. The fact that ultimately Jesus chose peace and non-violence shows the strength of his character. The real life Jesus had to struggle with the same problems as everyone else, and the hallmark of the story of his life is the fact that he chose peace over violence, not that he was without any violent impulses.

Updated 11/30/2006


[1] Luke (6:15) calls him “the Zealot” but in Mark (3:18) and Matthew (10:4) he is called the “Cananaean”. Fosdick (1949, p. 194) says that “Cananaean” is best translated as “hot” or “fervid” and may refer to religious zeal rather than armed insurrection. Josephus in Antiquities claimed the term Zealots came into common use after 66 A.D. as a synonym for rebellious, yet he also talked about the Zealots as a “fourth philosophy” founded by Judas of Gamala in 6 A.D.

[2] Craveri (1967, p. 91) and Dimont (1999, p. 69) claim that Simon bar Jona ordinarily means “Simon, son of Jonah”, but as used in Israel at the time, the term baryon meant “open country” referring to the place where Zealots fled to escape the Romans. Thus it meant “Simon, the Zealot”.

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Date:     2007-04-12 Username:   minas Helpful:   1 of 1
I have not seen a census of peaceful vs aggressive sayings in the Gospels, but after reading the synoptics, I am not sure that the peaceful win. There are the little reveleations, most horrifying being the one by Matthew, that predict a horrible fate for humanity, there are the innuendoes for the treatment of heretics and false prophets whereby these heretics will be treated like weeds or fruitless trees and burned after they are allowed to grow, etc. All the comments against relatives, against the pharisees and so on. What is most upsetting about the Gospels is that they portray such a dysfunctional society, so hopeless, that the end of the world seems like a good idea after all; the only solution to the drama. If one throws John's Revelation in, the balance is in favour of the aggressive sayings.
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Date:     2007-04-19 Username:   rabbiray1 Helpful:   1 of 4
If You realy study Yeshuah's sayings you will find more violance in His words then peace.
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Date:     2007-04-26 Username:   jimfoxy Helpful:   1 of 3
I must admit discouragement when reading this item. It is not just that the "scholars" are a collection of skeptics who pour vitriol on Christ and His followers. That is true with other articles here. It is not just that the commenters subject the gospels to withering criticism that would impeach any document older than their grandmother's letters. That is standard fare. But I honestly don't know what they expect from Christ. Do they really expect Him to say that the wicked and the righteous will suffer the same fate? Jesus offers peace between God and man, but it has to be on God's terms. It is not a mealy-mouthed "come one everyone, let's do the right thing" with no consequences for rebellion against the Creator. Christ came to make peace possible between God and man, and gave up His life to pay for the sins of everyone who will accept His sacrifice and His lordship. For those that do not accept, the consequences will be terrible. So He makes peace possible for all, but not for those who persist in rebellion against God.
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Date:     2007-04-26 Username:   LadySidhe Helpful:   3 of 5
Honestly, this isn't surprising. The aggressiveness towards non-believers (meaning anyone who does not hold the same beliefs that christianity does) continue to this day. Violent verbal and physical action seem to be par for the course for the more radical sects of christianity, and the scary thing about that is that some of these zealots are politicians. Rep. Bob Barr received the Burning Times award for speaking against non-christians in the military, and for exhorting christians to not join or withdraw from a military in which "satanists" and "devil worshippers" served (he was referring to pagans and wiccans). Televangelists are just as bad. These people speak in terms that encourage the more zealous of their listeners to do violence. Not to mention Westboro Baptist Church (I'm waiting for them to picket the wrong funeral one day, aren't you?). I'm quite sure that they are familiar with Jesus' more violent sayings, and I'm sure that they use them as justification for their actions. After all, as we all know, more violence has been done in the name of god than for any other reason. So much for "thou shalt not kill," right? I suppose that it's "Thou shalt not kill unless I command thee to do so." *sigh*
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Date:     2007-05-03 Username:   rabbiray1 Helpful:   2 of 2
LadySidhe, If you read Eccleastes chapter 3 you will see that it says there a time to kill
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Date:     2007-05-05 Username:   jimfoxy Helpful:   2 of 5
I would ask LadySidhe why she posted such an obviously untrue statement? Deaths due to followers of the one true God are miniscule compared to deaths caused by pagans and atheists. Hitler and the former Soviet Union accounted for something like 30-40 million deaths between them and they were hardly Christian!! We need to think these things through and not just keep repeating them because we heard them somewhere and they sound kinda cool. CelsustheSecond has judged God and found Him wanting, apparently. If I understand his LONG post, he is bemoaning the fact that God allows a universe where bad things happen. For me, I accept the fact that God created Man in His image, which means that we have a brain, the ability to make moral choices, and live in a world where we are held accountable for these choices. God has said that there is a law of reciprocity that He has ordained -- "you reap what you sow". And furthermore, since He is perfectly just, He has ordained a time where judgment will be done, and this final judgment will be absolutely just. Unfortunately, we want the right to make our own choices, but we want God to step in, and save us from the consequences. He sometimes intervenes, but the normal course of events will end up with bad things happening, just as CelsustheSecond notes in many passages. God loves us by giving us what we need, not necessarily what we want. We need accountability, and we will get exactly that, either in this life or in the life to come. Christ brings peace by providing the opportunity to have our sins forgiven, which gives us a taste of God's mercy. CelsustheSecond gives me the impression that he could organize everything a lot better than God, but forgive me for doubting that view. I think we will find out that God did it exactly as it should have been done,
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Date:     2007-05-27 Username:   jimfoxy Helpful:   2 of 4
I am surprised that CelsustheSecond wants to continue the debate, since there can be no serious claim that followers of the One True God could possibly have caused anything approaching the vast number of murders committed by pagans and atheists. I will admit that atheism is mostly a 20th century aberration, but when we think of the butcheries of Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Kim Il Sung and others we can see that atheists have made up for lost time. And please don’t mix Islam with followers of Jehovah!! I freely admit that Islam is bloodthirsty, but at best, it is a heretical branch off the Judeo-Christian vine, and at worst it is itself a pagan religion. I am not sure which is the proper way to consider it, but it is not useful to group it with Christianity and Judaism. Consider the long scope of recorded history, and the long series of bloodthirsty monsters. Consider the Medes, Persians, Assyrians, Kipchaks, Huns, Cumans, Scythians, Pechenegs, Bulgars, Vandals, Goths, Visigoths, Tartars, Mongols, and other hordes without number. Consider Tamerlane (see “Timur” – Wikipedia) who brutally slaughtered “millions of people”. Genghis Khan’s campaigns in China resulted in a population reduction from 120 million to 60 million. Consider the Romans and Greeks (e.g. Battle of Issus, 40,000 dead), the Chinese (e.g. one small battle by the Ming Dynasty = 30,000 heads). Consider the Americas, where tribes slaughtered each other from time immemorial, the rivers of blood that flowed down Aztec pyramids, the century after century of butchery. Consider Africa, with unending tribal wars from ages past, down to Idi Amin Dada (300,000 killed) and continuing to the present. Considering all these tidal waves and oceans of blood, the cleansing of Caanan by the Israelites, and fratricidal wars of Martin Luther’s supporters can be put in some perspective. None of this is to blame any people for defending themselves and their homes from invaders. Peoples certainly have that right, even though their self-defense adds to the death count. Nor can we blame Jewish or Christian kings (or modern Israel) who fought defensive wars. Given the incomplete records, we will never know how many hundreds, thousands or hundreds of thousands have been murdered by pagans for every Caananite death or casualty caused by a Christianized prince. What is clear to anyone who gives the matter even a moment’s thought is that my statement has to be true, by many orders of magnitude.
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Date:     2007-06-01 Username:   minas Helpful:   3 of 5
I think jimfoxy misunderstood the essence of the discussion. The point that many people were trying to make is not that millions of people died in the hands of the "One True God". Few people that have argued that christianity is a violent religion would take the new or old testament literally. We have almost no historical evidence for any mass slaughter mentioned in the bible. What we have in the bible is a methodical attempt to indoctrinate people to become violent. In the old testament with a list of divinely approved massacres and in the new with all these innuendoes about heretics that are like weeds that should be burned. God did not kill anybody. But tought people that killing for little or no reason is sanctioned. Like the chinese proverb, he did not give the poor man a fish, he taught him to fish. There were many battles in antiquity and the main reason for the killing varied quite wildly. In some cases it was abject poverty and hunger that drove these people. This cannot be justified but it can be understood and maybe forgiven. In some cases the objective was to increase their spheres of influence. This can be neither justified or forgiven, but it can be understood. It is a built-in defect of the human nature. The main contribution of Christianity is that it added the pure unjustified and unadulterated hatred as a reason to start a war. This I cannot even comprehend! And this is by no means the work of a few, or even many, corrupt priests. The origins of this poison can be traced right to the bible. New and old testament. Compare this with classical antiquity. Ares, the Greek Mars, had no temples and nobody sacrificed a chicken to him. No killings were allowed on stage in greek theater. When a victorious army, roman, egyptian or greek entered a city they sacrificed to the local gods, they did not exterminate their adherents and they identified their own gods with the ones of the enemy. Latin Jupiter was greek Zeus and egyptian Amon. Religion was always a lucrative business and killing is costly! These people were intelligent. Jimfoxy mentioned that Islam is blood thirsty. I will not try to defend islam, I do not like them that much myself. But compared to christians they are boyscouts, if not girlsguides. The christians were the inventors of antisemitism, not islam. John Chrysostome (golden mouth!) wrote long diatribes against the Jews and was deified for that. Mohamed said that the jews and christians are to be respected. In the Ottoman empire the jews were protected from the rest of the minorities. In Europe they were hunted. (BTW, I am not Turkish, I am Greek!) At the height of muslim power, their golden age, islam invented algebra whereas christians at the height of their power, our dark ages, burned the books of Alexandria (no it was not Omar, actualy most of what was saved from the ancient greeks we owe to Arabs). But there is something common between Pol Pot, Mao, etc and the various Christians that killed millions. They all had the absolute belief that they were right and that no one was allowed to have different opinion. It just happens that religion is the most efficient and durable tool to promote fanaticism. Dogs like Mao etc lasted a few decades and in terms of head count they are pekinois! And nowadays, not even their old friends like them and will soon be forgotten. Compare them with the Holy Inquisition that in their prime were the real rottweilers and managed to elect one of their own as pope! And atheism is not a 20th century aberration. Atheists may (or may not) believe in things like democracy, racial equality, feminism, environment etc. They usually personify them with the Statue of Liberty, MLK, Rosie the Riveter, David Suzuki, etc. That's exactly what the pagans did. They believed in hospitality, wisdom, family, technology etc, so they personified them with Zeus, Athena, Hera, Hephaistus etc. Since hospitality was the most important principle, Zeus was the boss (which explains why modern greeks dominate the hospitality industry!) They did not consider Zeus anything more than a statue the same way that we do not consider the Statue of Liberty anything more than a statue. Some gods might be based on actual humans, but they were all dead long long ago. They had great feasts to honor these gods, the same way that north americans barbeque on labor day. We all are a little bit pagans! The idea of gods with actual existence is a Judeo-Christian invention.
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Date:     2008-03-18 Username:   sgoryacheva Helpful:   1 of 2
"Deaths due to followers of the one true God are miniscule compared to deaths caused by pagans and atheists. Hitler and the former Soviet Union accounted for something like 30-40 million deaths between them and they were hardly Christian!!' Hitler never was an atheist in the first place, and Stalin has begun his way... in an Orthodox seminary. It seems that jimfoxy's knowlegde of history leaves MICH to be desired... Still, in defence of Jesus, I want to say that the vast majority of statements quoted above most probably DON'T belong to him.
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Date:     2008-04-24 Username:   Pantera Helpful:   2 of 2
Christianity a religion of peace? I do not think that anyone can honestly and objectively examine Middle Eastern, American or European history and still think that Christianity is a religion of peace. Violence and Christianity are wedded right from the beginning. Although it is often argued that violence during Christian history is simply an aberration by people who twisted the original Christian message, that isn't entirely true. Fear was always a key ingredient in Christianity. Fear of God is promoted in the Bible, and Church Fathers such as Tertullian and John Chyrsostom paraded fear as an important virtue; and indeed it still is, since fear is essential in maintaining subservience and obedience. After Christianity gained dominance in the Roman Empire, it became clear that Christians regarded their god as jealous and authoritarian, and as a result they proceeded to imitate their god and become violently authoritarian themselves. Controlling society, they ruthlessly exterminated other religious beliefs, with only Judaism being permitted to co-exist with their own "One True Faith." The exclusivist ideology which fostered such attitudes has continued on through today. In 435 the Roman adoption of Christianity resulted in legislation mandating the death penalty for all non-Christians. All citizens had to belong to the official "Catholic" Christianity; the only other permitted religion was Judaism, and Jews were isolated as much as possible from the rest of the population. Jesus created an exclusivist, intolerant belief system by declaring that no one could go to his "father" except through him. By the way, Hitler was a Roman Catholic. Stalin was a former seminarian in the Russian Orthodox Church. Gengis Khan was a Nestorian Christian and was married to several Christian women.
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Date:     2008-04-27 Username:   rambux Helpful:   1 of 1
There has been a tendency for modern Christians to re-create Jesus in the mould of Ghandi & MLK. But as the author has pointed out, there are several incidents and 'sayings' of Jesus that create problems for the notion of Jesus as a 'Budhist-type peacemaker'. It's therefore worth examining some of the texts quoted, and trying to answer two questions: 1. To what extent do these texts reflect genuine original teachings of Jesus, and to what extent have the biases of the gospel writers coloured the writing? 2. If we can determine the core substance of the original incident or teaching, to what extent is it coloured by the context of Jesus' own time? An example of the second point concerns the two swords which Luke reports the disciples having at the last supper. This is consistent with the fact that there was at least one Zealot amongst the disciples. However, I believe this reflects little of any 'subversive' intentions of Jesus. I believe it is more likely that he was using careful psychological tactics to guide his group. The disciples were a varied group, and for most of them, 'hating the Romans' would have been part of their mothers' milk. I believe that it is reasonable to suggest that Jesus, rather that being a Zealot subversive, carefully managed his group to keep the Zealot elements under control. This, of course, assumes that Luke has reported accurately. Relating to the first point above, it has to be stated that the context in which the gospel writers found themselves, along with their own biases and prejudices, shaped (and sometimes distorted) the Gospel events. One of the worst offenders is Luke. A study of the Parables in Luke's gospel shows that he continually confuses the stories, and leaves the reader completely muddled as to what the point is (compare many of these parables to the versions in Matthew and Mark. The difference is striking) A case in point is Luke's retelling of the Parable of the Talents. The section quoted from Luke in the article (Luke 19:26-27) is from this parable. (To get a sense of how likely it is that this came from Jesus, compare it to Matthew's version of the same parable. It is strikingly different) As Jack Sanders has pointed out, this supposed comment of Jesus most likely reflects Luke's vehement anti-semitism. It needs to be recognized that Luke-Acts is largely fueled by a vicious anti-semitism (as indeed is John) The sayings about 'not bring peace but a sword' and 'setting father against son', etc are quite simple to work out. Most early Christians found themselves withuin a persecution context. For them, the call of Jesus was a commitment to a transforming way which demanded greater loyalty that that to, say, family or culture. To many early Christians, their commitment to the way of Jesus would have meant very much a rejection of them by their families and their own communities and culture. Many of the confrontational sayings and actions of Jesus need to be considered within their original context of Jesus seeing himself as a reformer of the Jewish faith. The theme of 'Israel not understanding' is a strong theme in the Hebrew Scriptures (our Jewish friends had the honesty to preserve implied criticism of themselves). Jesus follows this tradition, and we see it in such things as the woe sayings, and the driving out of the money changers from the temple (the gospels don't refer to this as the 'cleansing of the temple') This last action strikes me as the act of a highly frustrated man. It was also the nail in Jesus' coffin. Up until then, the Romans have shown little interest in Jesus, but now, they move in on him with gusto. For them, this action would have been an act of civil disturbance. It is disappointing to see the author's ignorance coming through on many points. First of all, he shows little understanding of genuine Biblical scholarship (the scholars he quotes are certainly not people from estanblished, mainstream sholarship), and secondly, he quotes the King James version of the Bible, a translation which, although ground-breaking for it's day (400 years ago), has numerous errors revealed by scholarship, and is completed outdated in its language. As to whether Jesus was a genuine advocate of peace, the following points need to be considered. 1. Jesus' teachings to 'love one's enemies'. The essence of this teaching is that the cycle of hate and revenge has to be broken somewhere. This teaching is scarcely like to have come from a Zealot, and it's uite amazng that it was remembered at all. 2. Jesus' decision to submit quietly to his arrest, trial ands crucifiction. Again, scarcely the action of a terrorist or Zealot. 3. The early Christians placed great strore on obeying Roman law, and submitting to the authorities. Whilst the early Christians came under suspicion (because they refused to acknowledge Casear as Lord), there are no records of lootings, murders, or revenge attacks by Christians. Again, this is scarcely likely to have happened unless the early Christians took very seriously the idea of Jesus as a peacemaker.
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Date:     2008-12-16 Username:   ecco Helpful:   1 of 1
I would agree with some of your arguments that Jesus wasn’t always peaceful. Dealing with the instance at the temple it does show that Jesus became angry and turned the tables over. You really can’t argue that. Jesus also called the Pharisees the “sons of the devil” which I wouldn’t consider to be a peaceful statement. The tree dying also did happen but I don’t think I would call that not being peaceful. I mean it was a tree. Matt. 11 is seems to be imagery about them suffering in hell, talking about the “depths” Matt. 12 seems to be dealing with coming to salvation. Luke 22 is talking about the persecution that is to come and can be seen as symbolic. Luke 19 is a parable and must be read in context of the whole story. Matt. 10: 34 is strong language that I admit and it is hard to swallow. I wonder if he is referencing to the idea that ever since Christianity has been dealing with struggles against the rest of the world. Truth is there is no evidence that Jesus ever physically hurt anyone or ever commanded anyone to do so (turn the other check), but just spoke harsh truth and dealt with religious injustice. Even dealing with the temple, his anger raged over the fact that the religious leaders of the time were cheating the people with the animal sacrifices (making it a den of thieves) when it should have been a holy place. If someone said Jesus was the prince of peace I would still agree, but you are right, it was not always clouds and rainbows. That though isn’t a bad thing at all. Also LadySidhe The correct translation is “thou shall not murder” big difference than not kill.
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Date:     2009-11-13 Username:   zino Helpful:   1 of 1
I was under the impression that James was stoned to death and not crucified?? Your comments "In addition, the violent deaths of many of the disciples (Peter, Simon, Andrew, and James were crucified"
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Date:     2009-11-13 Username:   drj Helpful:   0 of 0
Hi Zino. You're right. James was not cruicified. Actually, there are at least two people named James, one of whom was thought to be Jesus' brother and the other one of the sons of Zedebee. James the Just was stoned to death around 62 CE and James the son of Zedebee was beheaded In Jerusaleum around 44 CE.
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Date:     2010-03-17 Username:   nekko Helpful:   0 of 0
Joined awhile back and have been catching up on all the posts,suppose this is as good a place as any to jump in.I think the issue of seeing the difference of peace or violence in Jesus' sayings arises when we insist on viewing him as God incarnate or as the "son of God"and the perciecved contradictions in this context,as if the son of God should be more consistent.Jesus was a brilliant sage/healer,perhaps the greatest ever but a man who happened to be born into turbulent times.He was not the divine on earth but had found the divine on earth and tried to bring us along.He never spoke from the points of Mosiac law(unless responding to the attempted entrapments of the Pharisee')his sayings and parables are multilayered and meant to elicit a personal mindful heartfelt response,an invitation to your own consicience-"the kingdom within you".This is why he was killed,because he made the people think-think about yourself,the other next to you,God and the world at large.The incident in the temple was not just about money;read further what he said about the priests,he rejested the whole notion of instutional spirituality("pray in your closet").That he realized that justice may not be achievable without some bloodshed was also echoed by the Buddha and should not be surprising-the way of truth is not for the meek.
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